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"hardball." ♪ >>> i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with this. why is john mccain so angry? 40 years after the vietnam p.o.w.s came home, the most famous of them is angrier than ever. why is america, why are we fighting the vietnam war all over again in the united states senate? the ticked off vitriol against chuck hagel. what is it about is? is it for show? is it about something hagel said in the cloakroom? is it the unfairness of vietnam itself that some went and sond didn't. is it about johnson's inability to win that war or end it. what burns so deeply in john mccain these days? it seems to excite those who knew nothing about vietnam but want to replay it. we big into the deep well of resentment purning in john mccain's patriotic heart. a resentment not against the north vietnamese who imprisoned and tr toured him all those years, no the against george w. bush and his political henchmen who tried to stain mccain's reputation back in 2000, but against a guy who fought against fear and ralliesed against wounds just like he did in the same army of america's long nightmare in v
to say for the country, only nasty words to spew about the people running it or hoping to. john mccain, who served the country so admirably, has become an angry fellow from dawn until dusk taking an occasional break to remember who he is and saying enough of this when his new allies get out of hand. when ted cruz starts attacking the loyalty to america of one of mccain's fellow vietnam vets, a combat vet at that. the viciousness is something we haven't seen before because of the combination of mccarthyism and this weird unconnectedness, attacking chuck hagel, for example, because no one will give us info or anyone info about the benghazi situation even though hagel wasn't even in the government when benghazi happened. sick stuff. and it seems to be growing in inverse proportion to obama's popularity. the better he looks, the worse these characters, inhofe, cruz, mccain, and lindsey graham, are determined to look. did you notice the smile on john boehner's face sitting up there behind the president during the state of the union? if you did, you're imagining things. so afraid of the hard
for immigration reform ended with a bill, supported principally by ted kennedy and john mccain. it died because of, well, you know? >> there are rising concerns tonight that that amnesty compromise could threaten the nation and security, as well. opening the borders, if possible, with mexico and canada. those fears, washington is hell-bent on creating a union. >> there are consequences to open borders beyond the aliens who want to come take our jobs. >> the islamist terrorists roam our borders. >> who refuse to protect those against those who come to kill. >> yes, whatever would we have done if somebody had not stood up to say that? the kennedy-john mccain comprehensive bill included both security and a path to citizenship. it was written that none of the provisions could be enacted until five areas were achieved. here is what is really interesting, although the bill died we actually made a lot of progress on those provisions anyway. the border security provision largely got it done, even as the path to citizenship got largely left behind. northbound one, operation control the border between u.s.
're not on the right anymore. this is the new litmus test. let's listen to john mccain who has been on a couple sides of this things. he said a short time ago on fox news this. let's watch. >> they'll probably get the votes when we return from the recess unless something else -- unless another something pops up, and that's doubtful that it will. but to be honest with you, neil, it goes back to there's a lot of ill will towards senator hagel because when he was a republican, he attacked president bush mercilessly, at one point said he was the worst president since herbert hoover, said that the surge was the worst blunder since the vietnam war which is nonsense, and was very anti his own party and people don't forget that. >> that seems honest. let's go to senator claire mccaskill who has been tough in dealing on the armed services committee with some of the zealots. i try to find political motive, why is ted cruz, the new kid on the block, acting so ferociously? why are they doing this to a guy who is a middle of the roader? i don't get it. your thoughts, senator? >> i think it's extremism. i think th
of defense to make sure that the americans are getting the strategy that they deserve. >> john mccain offered this in to the pushback that the nominee is getting from within the gop ranks itself. >> there's a lot of ill will towards senator hagel because when he was a republican, he attacked president bush mercilessly which anti-his own party and people. >> we don't have a secretary of defense in place and we're not going to because of a seven year old political grudge. >> joining me now is diane black. representative, great to see you. >> it's great to be with you. thank you for having me today. >> you bet. >> the president is about to honor six women who died at sandy hook and talking about gun legislation, the president said in the state of the union they deserve a vote. what do you think to the representatives who have made the same call? >> i want to say i cannot imagine being in the situation of the terrible losses that happened there at sandy hook and my heart goes out to all of the family members and that entire community. first of all, the president has not put a plan on the table an
with eleanor about the opposition to the nominee john hhagel. here is senator john mccain on "meet the press." >> we feel he will have the votes to be confirmed as the secretary of defense. i don't intend to give those up when other senators continue to have reasonable questions. i mean reasonable. >> you are not a yes vote for your old friend? >> no, i don't believe he is qualified. i don't believe we should hold up his nomination any further. >> can you tell me what is going on here, eleanor with this? we have a week delay and probably going to be confirmed. >> senator hagel supported barack obama over john mccain. i think it is very personal with mccain. i think with other republicans, they are looking ahead to the 2014 races and they don't want to be primaried from the right. they have to look tough here. in the end, they are saying he will get through. he will get through without perhaps any republican votes or a handful of republican votes. i don't think that say very good message to send to the rest of the world the politics the republicans are playing in this. mccain, he wants to hav
turning on each other. john mccain tried to humiliate nominee chuck hagel. and this is just the beginning. >> are you going to answer the question, senator hagel. the question is were you right or wrong? that's a pretty straight forward question. >> but karma caught up with mccain quickly. about an hour after that, he berated hagel. here's how rand paul reacted to mccain's comments. let's listen. >> i find the argument spurious and really frankly absurd. >> on laura ingram's radio show, louisiana senator marco rubi on the emigration issue. >> i love and respect marco, i think he's amazingly naive. >> wow, in other words, he cares about hispanics. in a colossal put down, chris chistie hung the blame for post-sandy suffering squarely on republicans. >> there's only one group to blame for the continued suffering of these innocent victims. the house majority and their speaker, john boehner. >> you know, joy, this was an old democratic problem. >> yes. >> it was called democrats in disarray. you could put it up on every newspaper, every evening news show. >> you had it every week for years. >>
, pure and simple. from the mouths of john mccain and lindsey graham as they slashed away at war hero hagel. badgering the witness is too nice a description. the hawks swirled like buzzards sweeping down, pecking and pulling at the skin of a former colleague who dared to say this country's been too ready to enter wars the american people quickly wish we'd never gotten into. what's with this hatred now centered in the american sunbelt? what do we make of this poll that shows two out of three texas republicans now want our president impeached? why the cussedness, why the range war, why the hatred of anyone who dares to stand with obama? why can't politics be a matter of belief and honest disagreement, not hatred? why the sick little intramurals we saw today? we begin with senator jeanne shaheen of new hampshire. i want you to watch this back-and-forth between john mccain and the witness today, chuck hagel. let's take a look. >> were you correct or incorrect when you said that the surge would be the most dangerous foreign policy blunder in this country since vietnam? were you correct or
john mccain who heightened a few issues here the republicans have with chuck hagel. >> to be honest with you, it goes back to, there's a lot of ill-will towards senator hagel because when he was a republican, he attacked president bush mercilessly, at one point said he was the worst president since herbert hoover, said that the surge was the worst blunder since the vietnam war, which is nonsense. and was very anti-his own party and people. people don't forget that. you can disagree but if you're disagreeable, people don't forget that. >> what do you think is the gop's strategy here and is there a sense at all that they might be creating more bad p.r. for the party because hagel appears to be on his way to being confirmed anyway? you heard david saying that they're just perhaps diminishing his ability to lead to his best ability down the road by all of this. >> i think that is sort of the conundrum here. the party that's supposedly the defense party that so strongly supports the military, supposedly has been able to use that little piece of p.r. in their favor over all these election
and exactly what he did. how is he going to work with republicans, john mccain who will be coming up in a couple of minutes saying frankly republicans don't like him. it's personal. >> i had an opportunity to talk to senator mccain about this. several other republicans are uncomfortable how this has played out and why i think senator mccain and others say they intend to vote to end this filibuster as soon as they get back from the recess. i think senator mccain and others know we have to work together to get this thing done, because when it comes a national defense, national security, that at least has to be above politics. i hate to see this being played politics here in washington. >> is there anything else that was not disclosed, anything that hurts his reputation, his views about israel? anything? >> no. >> nothing to worry about at all? >> no. >> what about ben ghazi and the attack? they said they want to get additional information about what the president about the night of the attack. some of the advice he was given and talking points and what not. has the president finished o
to senate republicans particularly john mccain sent with their treatment of hague snell. >> i think actually it was a long memory from people who had to work with chuck hagel over the years, alex. i think a lot of people who didn't say then senator hagel and sometimes his treatment of witnesses at the stand, people that had to go before him and be questioned by chuck hagel were not surprised by this kind of grilling. also, remember chuck hagel spent a lot of time telling people they were wrong or they were immoral in some of the decisions that they made. and this was some payback for him for that type of stance towards others in both colleagues and people who had to testify before his committees. >> yeah. and i mean, there are those who -- john mccain, shall we say, he's probably going to be upset that chuck hagel was there supporting president obama when they were running against one another. you get that. but this is a pretty serious job, tony. this is defense secretary. i mean, do you think that kind of politics, those maybe personal issues should be brought up under these circumstances?
. >> and in fact, anita, to that point, lindsey graham, john mccain have their own reasons for wanting some progress on immigration. marco rubio if he wants to run for president and we believe everyone has ambitions, would i think be in his interest to get this done now and a compromise behind him. >> i think it is in the interest of both political parties and for the nation to get this done now. however, michael's point about the fact that when it's bad enough having to do one response, andrea. i can tell you that as one on the other side and when you have a party that feels it's necessary to do two responses you have a seriously divided party with the challenge of trying to do something where you have such mainstream support from a john mccain, from a lindsey graham, from a marco rubio. it tells you how difficult this is going to be for the republicans to get this done. >> and for the president facing divided republican opposition. >> yes. >> thank you. we have to leave it there. good to see you. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] truth is, nyquil doesn't unstuff your nose. what? [ m
one of the president's nominees. is that what they want? >> senator john mccain who once said he would oppose a filibuster of hagel because it would set "a bad precedent" is changing his tune. he tells "foreign policy magazine" my position right now is that i want an answer to the question. that question totally unrelated to chuck hagel as defense secretary is what president obama was doing during the benghazi attack. hagel remains in limbo, as does defense secretary leon panetta, who isn't exactly sure when he will be able to return to his california walnut groves. >> this is, i believe, my final press conference here at the pentagon briefing room. there are moments when i thought i was part of the last act of an italian opera. you're not sure exactly when it would end, and when the fat lady would sing. >> for now the only certainty is much more congressional uncertainty. joy, does leon panetta need a shirt that says "i survived a chuck hagel filibuster and all i got was this lousy t-shirt?" just when he thinks it can't get worse, it's actually seemingly gotten worse. >> this is insan
deal. john mccain has blessed it. john mccain said he gave the committee enough -- said hagel gave the committee enough information i'm not going to hold him up on benghazi. i think lindsey graham is there to be the last annoying guy to make sure that hagel keeps whatever promises he made behind the scenes -- >> howard, does this -- >> to carl levin and -- >> the cisco kid may have handed 9 okay but poncho is still fighting the war. thank you, howard and joan. >>> michele bachmann and the latest conspiracy theory from the far right. we bring it to you for sheer entertainment. this is "hardball," the place for politics. in america today we're running out of a vital resource we need to compete on the global stage. what we need are people prepared for the careers of our new economy. by 2025 we could have 20 million jobs without enough college graduates to fill them. that's why at devry university, we're teaming up with companies like cisco entertainment. to help make sure everyone is ready with the know-how we need for a new tomorrow. [ male announcer ] make sure america's ready. make
. hagel is going to be confirmed. it's a done deal. john mccain has blessed it. john mccain said he gave the committee enough -- said hagel gave the committee enough information, i'm not going to hold him up on benghazi. i think lindsey graham is there to be the last annoying guy to make sure that hagel keeps whatever promises he made behind the scenes -- >> howard, does this -- >> to carl levin and -- >> the cisco kid may have handed the okay, but poncho is still fighting the war. thank you, howard and joan. >>> michele bachmann and the latest conspiracy theory from the far right. we bring it to you for sheer entertainment. this is "hardball," the place for politics. [ kitt ] you know what's impressive? a talking car. but i'll tell you what impresses me. a talking train. this ge locomotive can tell you exactly where it is, what it's carrying, while using less fuel. delivering whatever the world needs, when it needs it. ♪ after all, what's the point of talking if you don't have something important to say? ♪ thto fight chronic. osteoarthritis pain. if you don't have something importan
steadily. everybody knows where everybody stands so let's have a vote on it. >> i want to play what john mccain said this morning. >> leaks don't happen in washington by accident. this raises the question that many of us continue to wonder about. does the president really want a result or does he want another cadgeal to beat up republicans to get political advantage in the next election. >> who and/or what do you believe is behind the leak? >> it is interesting what senator mccain said about the next election because president obama was just reelected. house democrats would like to win back control of the house and they look at this as a political tool for them. there is a plan floating out there and they are talking to different groups. they are not really talking to republicans on capitol hill as senator mccain is pointing out. the nitty-gritty particulars of these two proposals that are out there, the gang of eight that senator mccain is a part of, the principles there are not all that different from what is in this draft legislation that was leaked to "usa today." the problem is it is all a
to hagel is growing in the senate. i'm not sure. like today john mccain, perhaps the most feisty critic says he's not on board for a filibuster and won't try to block hagel's nomination by filibuster. still some good in john mccain. and we'll be right back. [ woman ] ring. ring. progresso. i just served my mother-in-law your chicken noodle soup but she loved it so much... i told her it was homemade. everyone tells a little white lie now and then. but now she wants my recipe [ clears his throat ] [ softly ] she's right behind me isn't she? [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. impact wool exports from new zealand, textile production in spain, and the use of medical technology in the u.s.? at t. rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 75% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. [ male announcer ] pain not sitting too
in the middle of his term. remember, he tried, as did a lot of democrats and john mccain to get immigration reform through in 2007. and that's when the backlash grew. and then when the bush administration was deemed a failure, which many of us believed broadly that it was, a lot of conservatives said that's true. and instead of trying to moderate the party then, they said the problem was this compassionate conservative guy was too liberal. so they pulled the party way over to the right. the problem they have now is the tea party folks are the folks who kind of got them there in 2010. and it's as if the republicans are saying well, we needed your votes to drive this car to the country club, but we really don't want to let you inside the country club. so they're courting a kind of class warfare in the republican party over the next couple of years. >> e.j., one of the things i think you have written about more eloquently than anybody else is the idea of -- you've written ambitiously i should say about the idea of civility, that we can have reasonable disagreements about even very profound dif
on the chuck hagel vote on armed services. when john mccain comes in as a critic and ends up having to defend chuck hagel because of the very sharp attack from ted cruz. let's watch. >> we saw with his nomination something truly extraordinary which is the government of iran formally and publicly praising the nomination of a defense secretary. i would suggest to you that is unprecedented to see a foreign nation like iran publicly celebrating a nomination. >> i want to put on the record that this senator feels like that senator cruz has gone over the line. he basically has impugned the patriotism of the nominee. >> senator hagel is an honorable man. he's served his country, and no one on this committee at anytime should impugn his character or his integrity. >> so, chuck todd, ted cruz has made a mark already. this isn't the first instance? >> no, he's not. i've been thinking about this, this new -- if you want to say this is more evidence. but you know, i remember a young rick santorum coming in breaking some traditions. >> boy, did he. >> breaking when he did this, three, four, five years lat
so over the line that even john mccain who lamb basted hagel a week ago came to the senator's defense. >> senator hagel is an honorable man. he has served his country and no one on this committee at any time should impugn his character or his integrity. >> that's what cruz was doing. and john boehner couldn't stick to the script today for the softer, gentler, kinder gop. he told reporters at a breakfast briefing that obama doesn't have -- this is the new phrase. he doesn't have the guts to cut spending. today more republican intransigents are holding up again by demanding the speaker -- actually harry reid from nevada come up with 60 votes to move forward the vote. and senator rand paul put a hold on president obama's pick. joining me now is salon's joan walsh and washington post's dana milbank. they can't beat these people so they're doing this obstructing. they're trying to smear this guy. they know he's going to be secretary of defense. there is absolutely no purpose in what cruz is doing except trying to move he's more obnoxious than neocons are. they're just messing around with t
. and the gop is losing latino support. john mccain got 31%. romney only got 27%. i suspect that rubio is not only being used for his talents. >> i think the republicans are trying to rebrand this. but let's look at rubio's numbers. rubio, among the latinos in florida, he overwhelmingly won the cuban vote. but he didn't win the rest of the latino vote. when you look at history where he actually looks at, he attacks, for example, private education. and i think, again, that's the only way you're going to win the latino vote is to start talking to them straight. >> is he a leading contender for 2016. and does this further embellish if he does well on tuesday night? >> again, they're reintroducing the brand. and he's the headliner for that. he can't backtrack like he did so quickly on immigration. >> so on climate change and a lot of things, he's all over the place. >> he basically has to identify the problem with the republican party. i also encourage him to start talking a little bit about he keeps saying he doesn't believe in govt entitlement programs. unfortunately, right now, the gove
sweeping cuts to the defense department. then you have big crystal, john mccain even floating the idea maybe he would be okay with more revenue as long as it meant getting the revenue off the sequester. the interesting thing here, march one is the deadline in the sequester. you also have then, three or four weeks later, the continuing resolution coming up. so it is not out of the question to me that republicans may be forced to kind of go over the cliff with the sequester and then basically restore the funding levels later in the continuing resolution. and maybe that is where they can pull the victory out. >> we have a clarification about something that could be discussed in any kind of grand bargain, and that is the white house position on the medicare eligibility age. let's listen to that. >> is the president open to raising the eligibility age for medicare? >> no, absolutely not. the president has made clear that we don't believe that is the right policy to take. >> well, krystal, i'll check that off. that signals that. that is not going to be in any package. >> yeah, that had kind
with chuck hagel. >> i want to play something that senator john mccain said on fox news thursday and get your take on the other side. take a listen. >> there's a lot of ill will towards senator hagel because when he was a republican, he attacked president bush mercilessly, he was very anti-his own party and people. people don't forget that. >> and that, my friend, is exactly what you just said, general, speaks exactly to what you just said. what kind of relationship will he have with congress once he's confirmed. >> well he's going to represent the national security interest of the united states up there so i think the question is really what kind of relationship does congress have with him? these men and women in the united states senate, in the congress, need to respect chuck hagel and they need to work with him and that's their obligation as elected representatives of the american people, just like it's his obligation to work with them. he'll do the best he can. he'll be straightforward. he'll be honest. maybe there will be some lingering resentments, but there shouldn't be. >> john allen,
it was personal. john mccain was the author of the surge of troops to iraq at the end of the administration, pushed it hard, took a lot of heat, including from the right. he takes it personal when chuck hagel calls it the bigst debacle since vietnam. and senator hagel dodging the question on whether he agreed with the same statement. hag mccain was getting testy and hagel was dodging. it was one of the key military decisions in the past ten years, and if senator hagel is the top military adviser to the president, they want to explore his thinking on that. and politics, trying to portray senator hagel as anti israel plays well to some interest groups, and that's much more politics. >> to pull from a football term given the weekend, it seems like he was fumbling around. was he not as well prepared as he ought to have been? >> no doubt, senators walked out of the hearing shaking their head, from both sides, democrats and republicans were very surprised how poorly prepared senator hagel appeared to be. for expected -- like senator mccain's questions about the surge. that's just a fundamental qu
go ahead. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was senator john mccain grilling his old friend chuck hagel last week at hagel's confirmation hearing. the senate armed services committee was supposed to vote today on hagel's nomination to head the pentagon, but that vote has been postponed after republicans said they hadn't received sufficient information about hagel's financial records and specifically about any payments he's received from foreign sources. that's an odd hurdle given that republicans never seem concerned about foreign revenue sources when it came to nominees from george w. bush. one democratic official working on the hagel nomination told politico, quote, what they're asking is unprecedented, and it's clear that it's information that he's unable to provide. hagel says he can't provide it because it would violate confidentiality of the boards that he serves on. of course, critics say this is about more than incomplete financial records. so why are republicans really holding up hagel's nomination? aaron david miller is vice president for new initiatives at the woodrow w
was to the right of hillary clinton during the xanl for going into pakistan and not -- he -- >> john mccain. >> on pakistan he was, right. this shouldn't be that big of a surprise that he is hawkish. this has been one of the central tensions, but sort of aspects of the obama presidency. >> i hear what you're saying. at the same time, you know, he came into office under the banner of no longer will there be black sites. we are closing gitmo. extraordinary rendition. these kind of practices put in place by george w. bush. that is going to be -- we're going to close that chapter in american history. what this reveals is that that chapter is far from being closed. it's still being written. >> we are still arguing based on the movie "zero dark thirty" whether or not enhanced interrogation, torture, helped us get osama bin laden, and you hear conflicting reports about whether or not that was true. if you ask the average person, does interrogation enhance interrogation, does torture work? you'll get ten different anz. we are as a country very much grappling with these questions and trying to sort
and kind of a boondoggle in a lot of ways. john mccain has said that there's been real improvements in border security. and asked if it helps the politics of reform. he says, i think it helps a lot. he argues the situation has improved and calls the concern overhyped. and so one thing is there's a political idea here, which is this is the necessary precondition to get reform. my question to you is what is our ideal border look like? if what we're doing now is the wrong thing, what should it look like? [ male announcer ] citi turns 200 this year. in that time there've been some good days. and some difficult ones. but, through it all, we've persevered, supporting some of the biggest ideas in modern history. so why should our anniversary matter to you? because for 200 years, we've been helping ideas move from ambition to achievement. and the next great idea could be yours. ♪ or that printing in color had to cost a fortune. nobody said an all-in-one had to be bulky. or that you had to print from your desk. at least, nobody said it to us. introducing the business smart inkjet all-in-on
, and on the senate side, you definitely see some of those were traditional republicans like senator john mccain, snorkeenator kelly ayotte of ne hampshire where we can't make the defense cuts clear. there's a divide, and it's unclear exactly how they're going to bridge the gap there. >> dana, this divide, how dangerous is it for an entire party that's really trying to reinvent itself after the november loss. >> it is a pretty serious one. you see a lot of the green eye shades republicans here in washington aren't listening to the governors. the more popular officials and their party saying, look, it's important to rein in spending. that can't be the sole label for this party. when you have so many washington republicans saying the budget cut is even more important than national defense, there seems to be -- i think we're finally reaching a level where there is some push-back. and so there is a more serious division than had occurred in the past when it was all about budget cutting. >> do you think, lauren, we're going to get a final deal on sequestration, or are they going to kick the can down
that applies today, so it got me wondering when i heard senator john mccain getting straight to the point this week. >> how do you convince the republicans about the path to citizenship? >> well, look, i will give you a little straight talk. look at the last election. look at the last election. we are losing dramatically the hispanic vote. >> so did senator mccain get the same memo? maybe he got the other memo, the one that sold all of the congressional memos to get with comprehensive immigration program. because language does matter and shift in immigration debate is one that we have all been long calling for and one that channels the speech for the real people about whom this political debate is about. seems that the republicans got one more memo since the 2012 election. there has not been just a change in speech happening. remember when was this acceptable speech coming from the senators two years ago? >> one of the issues that is often talked about, but never seriously discussed is the practice of allowing people to come here illegally and having a child and the child automatically gi
his friend and republican colleague john mccain. was there something personal there? >> there is always something personal in relationships between senators and chuck hagel is a former senator. i can't speculate on motives of each of the senators. they are probably different motives, an array of intent and purpose. i think there will be a vote this week in the committee, if not this week, next week, but soon. i believe there will be republican votes for senator hagel and if not in committee, at least on the floor. i believe he will be approved. i think the personal issues, hopefully, will be put behind us. most importantly, it will be a bipartisan vote. whatever the motives on a personal level, i hope partisanship is not part of this process as the american people watching that hearing may have concluded it was because the weight of the republican questioning, the prosecuting or crass examination aspect was so much on the republican side. >> do you agree with the old tradition that president's should be able to pick their own cabinet, choose the people with whom they
mcconnell, john mccain who is becoming an embarrassment for the party. they are voting against vowa filing briefs. it's important. they are looking like the white old man party. >> what you were saying before quickly, at the local level, it's not a tea party versus the new party, this is the party. >> i always hear susan you are the reasonable republican. i'm not that unique as a republican. there are more reasonable republicans, if you will, i hate the term, but people out there who think there is room for more than one idea. there are people out there like myself who think a woman's body should not be a campaign issue. it's what the republicans have to start not putting that litmus strategy in. >> it's a hallmark george w. bush. the george w. bush who was elected. >> they have a new republic cover. when we look at the republican party now, it is the party of white people. think about the george w. bush moment, at least initially, we are not the party of white people. we are bringing latinos and a small portion of african-americans who are morality -- they were doing all kind of th
this kind of an issue. >> it's not just rubio who said it. at this point, senator john mccain said the same thing. there have been a number of republicans who have said that if that is part of any sort of comprehensive immigration bill, that bill probably won't see the light of day. stand by. quick break. we got to pay a lot of bills here. when we come back, new indications that the country is becoming more liberal. what will that mean for president obama's agenda in his second term? we're just getting started here. this is msnbc. the brain trust is with us. don't go anywhere. come right back. [ lisa ] my name's lisa, and chantix helped me quit. i honestly loved smoking, and i honestly didn't think i would ever quit. [ male announcer ] along with support, chantix is proven to help people quit smoking. it reduces the urge to smoke. it put me at ease that you could smoke on the first week. [ male announcer ] some people had changes in behavior, thinking or mood, hostility, agitation, depressed mood and suicidal thoughts or actions while taking or after stopping chantix. if you notice any of t
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